Something I wish I knew 50 years ago. Technically. Other than those few, I feel as though the future is bright. Staff Sergeant Cardone earned her Bachelor of Music, magna cum laude, in . Technically. Appreciate your reply. We want to mold a new Officer to become a great leader we can always remember but there's a limit to what we're willing to do. And make it quick Lieutenant. I believe my words only carried weight because I've already been in the Army for 10 years and the Senior cadre knew this (I didn't get in any trouble). This should not turn into a them vs us type of debate. ROTC cadets do too. So glad I longer serve. As corny as this will sound, the feelings related in the film An Officer and a Gentleman at the end were pretty accurate. I was assigned to the 25th ID in 1972. But short of that, cadets can end up in just about anywhere. Im a Senior WO and I can personally attest to the height of arrogance the NCO Corps exercises today. So I suppose we dont salute appointed Officers either? I can't speak for the Air Force, but the Navy certainly does. Thank you! Before joining the band, she served as an adjunct faculty member of the University of Maryland School of Music, where she also earned her Master of Music in trumpet performance. Tell the NCO's that you don't want to seem like a dick that you're being so picky on things, you're just building trust so later you know who's good to go and what each of our strengths are and that goes for the young LT as well (that's called humility and the men will understand because it's fair). the leadership essentially passed off their job.. but i ythink it is good these future officers learn from those entrusted to prepare the sustenance.. instead of those that havent actually been in thr kitchen for a couple years. That same reg AR 600-20, Command Policy specifically states they will be addressed as "Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet" not Sir or Mam. Within the cadet corps there was a rank structure and cadets saluted other cadets with rank above theirs. Cadets were sons of the upper class and were, due to social norms, afforded gentlemans status. So as indicated by mil/regs a 17 year old snot nosed cadet is indeed an enlisted social/moral/intellectual/ and just plain all around great american hero. I found myself going toe to toe with these junior NCOs and enlisted, but not to destroy their souls (as the NCO in me wanted to do so badly) but to talk to them and help them understand that if you treat these cadets like crap, it will be returned 10 fold in a year when they commission, hate NCOs, and are their raters. Great investment. In her free time, she enjoys spending time with her husband and two incredible sons. It was advanced pay so to speak. I have heard the saying "Stop being an arrogant officer?" I let crap roll off of my back, but when I attended Fort Knox this last summer there were way too many NCOs who had a big chip on their shoulder. As it turns out, West Point cadets *do* outrank Army noncommissioned officers (NCOs). Too many Cadets are treated like children by unprofessional NCOs who fail to realize that they are only alienating their future rather and or senior rather. Command Sergeant Major Michel R. Fraser was born in Wilmington, North Carolina and raised in Conway, South Carolina. They are legally considered E-5 equivalent, and aren't Branch qualified. It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. My NCOs treated me with respect while I was a midshipman, but taught me what it meant. Scott welcomes story ideas and feedback on his articles, and can be reached athavokjournal@havokmedia.com. She created a public event called "Play Day," which received press from Time Out New York, Gothamist, and various other New York City media outlets. I am a cadet and am military police and drill with them as well. 2LT Eisenhower, he was a 6' 3" tall man who was assigned to our platoon in 1992. Your email address will not be published. Naval Facilities Command Expeditionary Warfare Center, n Region Security Engineer Naples, Italy The invested money for the cadet wasted. Ive been on both sides of the fence. But having learned this, it made me wonder when this would actually matter in any meaningful way. When I contracted under the SMP I was administratively promoted to the rank and pay grade of E-5 ( I had served two years previously in the Army Reserve as a junior enlisted 11B). Most cadets understand and respect the NCOs within their unit. My first platoon leader was OCS, my other two were USMA. Army command policy is clear the definition of terms. Anyway. Now it was said in good humor. By reg,they can't command or lead troops in the field. And cadets initiate salutes to any commissioned officer. When I was a 2LT, I always took the fact that Vietnam vets 4-10 years older than I was were saluting me as an obligation to do my best to earn that salute. Example: In the U.S. Military a Warrant Officer (W-2W-5) are commissioned but are not gentlemen officers. It's hilarious when reality trumps the entitlement issues of a newly hatched fetus. Point is that one never knows what lies down the road so I try to treat everyone with respect regardless of their rank or position. Its like my father (retired CW3) taught me; " I don't have to respect you but I HAVE TO RESPECT your rank.". Am forwarding this to my son. She received a Bachelor of Music Education from Indiana University, where she studied both trumpet and voice. Thought about it and stored it away and drove on. The best way to train cadets to be officers that their soldiers will look up to and their NCOs will respect is to treat them the way you want them to act. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. Now, that is a perfect resolution. Other notable assignments include working within the 2/320, United States Military Academy Preparatory School, Simon Center for the Professional Military Ethic. Sergeant First Class Anthony has also served as a percussionist with the 9th Army Band in Fairbanks, Alaska, and the U.S. Army Signal Corps Band in Augusta, Georgia. The supervising doctor might ask the medical student to do certain things a doctor would normally do (recommend a prescription, put in sutures, read test or x-ray results), but only with direct physician supervision. Hey brother. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. Sir. Then we'd mow the guy down with an M4. After enlisting in the US Army in 1984 as a Field Artillery surveyor, Master Sergeant (Promotable) Jeffrey Morris found his way to the Cyber Branch via the Air Force Institute of Technology in Ohio, earning a PhD in Systems Engineering and a follow-on assignment as the Sergeant Major of the Army Cyber Institute at West Point. A honorific form of address indicating respect but only for officers under the rank of knight. Master Sergeant Brandie Lane of Columbia, South Carolina, joined the West Point Band in October of 2010. Whoever came up with this interpretation needs to review deeper. I really wish I didn't have to speak this way about you kids but most of you did the West Point thing for power or prestige, both of which are useless to Infantrymen, we care less what college you went to, if you can't think on your feat when round crack by you then you get my men killed. I spent 3 years as a MSG and never saluted a cadet. Somehow, the memo of shifting demographics of new Soldiers within the Infantry never reached West Point so there's a huge disconnect in reality. However, the announcement will indicate assumption as acting commander unless designated as permanent by the proper authority. Payback is one reason to avoid it. CSM Cravens military education includes all levels of the Non-Commissioned Officer Education System culminating with the United States Army Sergeants Major Academy. When a cadet has to leave the USAFA before graduation, he is assigned to a reserve unit with the rank of Airman 2C. (I was going through a few operations connected to wound recovery). Scotts writing focuses largely on veterans issues, but he is also a big proponent of Constitutional rights and has a deep interest in politics. Regarding saluting courtesy in the cadet corps. They clearly outrank privates and are often assigned to leadership roles, but they aren't yet commissioned. In flight school cadets qualified for flight pay in addition to their regular pay. NCOs are the backbone of the Army and run the Army day to day (as opposed to commanding it). Command Sergeant Major Fraser awards and decorations include: Meritorious Service Medal (1 SOLC, 1OLC), Army Commendation Medal (2 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (1 SOLC, 4 OLC), Presidential Unit Citation, Joint Meritorious Unit, Army Superior Unit, Army Good Conduct Medal (Numeral 6) Defense Service Medal, Kosovo Campaign Ribbon, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Korean Defense Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon (Numeral 5), Armed Forces Service Medal, Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbons (Numeral 3), NATO Medal, Drill Sergeant Identification Badge, Drivers Badge, German Schuetzenschnur Marksmanship Award (Silver), a recipient of the Honorable Order of Saint Barbara, the Noble Patron of Honor, the Martyrdom of Saint Maurice, the COL Robert L. Manning Achievement Medal, and the Order of Horatio Gates Bronze Medal. I work with my leadership and learn from them and they help to shape me to become a good officer. Always seek the minority view of any situation or story! Directorate of Public Works, n Director, RDT&E Division Port Hueneme, CA We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. From the junior officer perspective we were seen as coffee and errand boys. Mr. Mitchell is married to his wife Jill and has three children, Connor, Fisher and Sophia. Things are changing around you and you're failing to adapt. I learned something that day. Your submission has been received. Boy if it wasn't entertainment at its best. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. The Army has launched an investigation after the unmasking of a semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of U.S. Military Academy, West Point, allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump, an Army official confirmed to the Daily Caller. And yet, the UCMJ does hold all commissioned officers, including CW2-CW5, accountable for their behavior, as they are subject to Article 133, Conduct Unbecoming and Officer and Gentlemen. of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service Joseph John Quichocho, 1SG E-8 RETIRED US ARMY. They're inchoate officers. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The articles and other content which appear on the Modern War Institute website are unofficial expressions of opinion. And if for one second you think any Infantrymen will ever do something that violates our Constitutional form of government, you've made the worst assumption of your young life. And I declined two Bronze Stars because some senior Officer decided to dispense them for every Officer and Senior NCO in theater! Only the pay grade the cadet holds. Before assuming responsibility, Coffey was the command sergeant major for the 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Stewart, Georgia. Warrant Officers are formally addressed as "Mister." Sergeant Major Denver Dill is a member of the West Point Band and an instructor of American Politics at the United States Military Academy, West Point, New York. Mr. Mitchell is a licensed Professional Engineer and a Level III Certified Acquisitions Professional. The platoon sergeant major, and his cavalry counterpart, the troop sergeant major, were part of a project giving experienced non-commissioned officers command of units ( platoons and troops) formerly reserved for commissioned officers. I pray that you are only a LT yourself. Upon the successful completion of flight school cadets received their flight wings and were commissioned as second lieutenants and incured an additional four year service commitment. Through conversations, we get better LT's coming out of ROTC or NCO's newly converted to O grade.. Commander Navy Region Europe, Southwest Asia, Africa, n Senior Advisor, Installation Management Kabul, Afghanistan In reserve and guard units, SMP cadets do hold assigned positions, but have no position in the chain of command. But Im sure he felt stung just a little bit. Long story short: Years of hands-on experience trumps reading an instruction manual, This applies in every situation and every single time. Corps of Cadets has been announced and includes a strong group of varsity athletes. If cadets, during this valuable leadership experience, are not given the chance to act as lieutenants and acting platoon leaders, then the whole CLTC program should be scrapped. Cadets were not entitled to receive salutes from enlisted personnel. Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook; . As he worked in our platoon, we all quietly covered for him, especially when he got misoriented now and then (analog land nav isn't simple, especially when mounted) after a few months he was squared away and we taught him our secrets and he never betrayed us. No idea if it is being taught now at BNCOC or ANCOC. His approach to us was simple and he asked lots of questions about how to best kill tanks and he found that each man has their own method of how they like to do things and tactics they like or dislike and for what reasons. The smart LT listens to his/her NCO and seeks counsel from him/her. We had a young know it all LT around the COMS tent he starts looking around and I see him messing with the ground strap the future leader of our troops disconnected it. She graduated from Conway High School in 1989. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. 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